Thursday 12 June 2014

Dunblane, paedophilia and the 100-year rule

On 13 March 1996, Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children and one teacher before shooting himself dead in the Scottish town of Dunblane.

Hamilton became a Scout leader in 1973. Almost as soon as he was appointed, however, he came to the attention of the leaders of the movement. The County Commissioner, Brian Fairgrieve, discussed Hamilton with the District Commissioner, a Mr. Deuchars, and they decided that he should be asked to resign.

Thereafter, Mr. Fairgrieve had a meeting with Hamilton and his opinion hardened. On 13 May 1974, Mr. Deuchars wrote to Hamilton requiring that he return his Scout Leader's warrant book. When Hamilton refused to return his warrant card, Brian Fairgrieve wrote to the Scottish Scout Headquarters. In a letter dated 29 June 1974, 22 years before Dunblane, he said:
"While unable to give concrete evidence against this man I feel that too many 'incidents' relate to him such that I am far from happy about his having any association with Scouts. He has displayed irresponsible acts on outdoor activities by taking young 'favourite' Scouts for weekends during the winter and sleeping in his van, the excuse for these outings being hill-walking expeditions.  
The lack of precautions for such outdoor activities displays either irresponsibility or an ulterior motive for sleeping with the boys... His personality displays evidence of a persecution complex coupled with rather grandiose delusions of his own abilities. As a doctor, and with my clinical acumen only, I am suspicious of his moral intentions towards boys". 
Undeterred by his ejection from the Scout movement, Hamilton opened and ran a series of boys clubs from 1974 onwards. Many of the boys who attended the clubs complained that he drilled them harshly. He would make them do things that made them feel uncomfortable and would often pay them to keep them quiet. The complaints were so numerous that the police launched an investigation.

In his March, 1996, article for The Mirror, Jonathan Russell wrote that Hamilton 'expected them to obey his every command.' He also said that one of the boy's mothers complained that they were 'forced to rub suntan oil all over his naked body as he writhed and groaned in ecstasy.' 

However, the police were unable to find enough evidence to prove that he was doing anything unlawful. Russell quoted a police constable who said that the pictures were not considered pornographic because 'the boys had their pants on.'

A March, 1996, article in the Scottish Daily Record & Sunday reported that boys would be whipped with a steel rod before having lotion rubbed into their bodies. One of the boys quoted in the article claimed that, 'that's the only time he touched us but he would rub the lotion on us really hard.'

Detective Sergeant Paul Hughes, the former head of Central Scotland Police's child protection unit, wrote a damning report in Scotsman News, in which he recommended that Hamilton's gun license be revoked because of his 'unsavory character' and 'unstable personality.' However, no action was taken because there was no concrete evidence of any wrongdoing.

Hamilton sent many letters of complaint to the authorities claiming that he was being victimised. He also sent threatening letters to various teachers and the families of the boys whom he suspected of defaming him and his clubs. At one point, he even sent a letter of protest to the Queen complaining of his 'unfair' treatment. Hamilton blamed not only the teachers and parents but also believed that Freemasons, scout officials and the police, themselves, were out to get him.

On 9 December 1996, Frank Cook, MP, introduced an EDM into parliament, which said:
"This House notes that Thomas Hamilton, the perpetrator of the hideously distressing slaughter committed in Dunblane on 13th March 1996 had enrolled in Lodge No. 1417 of the Masonic Order at Garrow Hill in 1977, had been granted his firearms certificate in 1979 and had stopped attending Lodge meetings in 1986, that the immediate resignation of a very senior police office on publication of the Cullen report raises the question of that officer's masonic membership, that such a senior officer of a provincial force would be unlikely not to be a Freemason, that the apparent deletion of all computer reference to Hamilton in the databanks of Central Scotland Police files for the period both before and after the incident demands clear explanation, that police confiscation of the membership records of gun clubs that had disowned Hamilton in dispute of his false claims requires justification, that their continued retention is both unwarranted and inexcusable and that in view of all the foregoing the range and character of the relationship between Thomas Hamilton and the police officer concerned would appear potentially suspect; and consequently requires Her Majesty's Government to institute at the earliest date the most urgent independent and exhaustive enquiry into these matters to ensure the open publication of the fullest report possible." 
Cook and 29 others courageously signed this EDM. 

These MPs were:

For the Tories: Richard Body, John Hunt, Tony Marlow, Michael Neubert and William Powell.

For the Labour Party: Roger Berry, Jamie Cann, Michael Clapham, Tom Cox, Denzil Davies, John Gunnell, Eric Illsley, Jon Owen Jones, Joan Lestor, Andrew Mackinaly, Max Madden, Austin Mitchell, Rhodri Morgan, Dennis Skinner, Gerry Steinberg, Paddy tipping, Alan Williams and Audrey Wise.

For the Liberal Democrats: David Alton, David Rendel and Paul Tyler.

Others who signed included Ken Livingstone and Graham Thomas.

All of the above should be commended.

A ban on the ownership of handguns was introduced by Tony Blair and the New Labour government in 1997.

The Dunblane massacre was the excuse used to justify the introduction of this legislation. The general public were, thus, disarmed and the firearm was left the exclusive preserve of Tony Blair's army, Tony Blair's police force, the secret services and the criminal.

On 17 July 2001, The Telegraph reported thus:
"Handgun crime increased by 40 per cent in the two years after the ban imposed because of the Dunblane massacre, according to a new study. The report from the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College, London, found no link between the legal possession of guns and their use by criminals. 
Its findings appeared to support the position taken by pistol shooters when their sport was banned in 1997 in response to the murder of 16 Dunblane schoolchildren and their teacher by Thomas Hamilton. More than 160,000 handguns were surrendered to the police. But in the two years after the ban the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported to have been used increased from 2,648 to 3,685 - up 40 per cent. 
Their use was at its highest level since 1993. The study, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance, said: 'The long-term impact that the 1997 legislation is likely to have on the use of handguns in crime cannot be judged with any accuracy at this time. But the short-term impact strongly suggests that there is no direct link between the unlawful use of handguns and their lawful ownership.'  
David Bredin of the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, said: 'It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place. Policy-makers have targeted the legitimate sporting and farming communities with ever-tighter laws but the research clearly demonstrates that it is illegal guns that are the real threat to public safety.'  
At the time of the ban, gun owners maintained that criminals did not use legally-registered weapons and had no difficulty finding guns on the black market. The report found that of the 20 police areas with the fewest legally-held firearms, half had an above-average level of gun crime.  
Of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally-held guns, only two had armed crime above the average." 
Only 6 New Labour MPs voted against the government's imposition of the ban on handguns. These were: Harry Barnes, Jamie Cann, Frank Cook, Hilton Dawson, Kate Hoey and Austin Mitchell.

On 2 March 2003, The Sunday Herald said this: 
"Letters between Labour and Tory ministers and correspondence relating to Thomas Hamilton's alleged involvement with Freemasonry are part of a batch of more than 100 documents about the Dunblane mass murder which have been sealed from public sight for 100 years.  
The documents include a letter connected to Hamilton, which was sent by George Robertson, currently head of NATO, to Michael Forsyth, who was then Secretary of State for Scotland.  
Until now it was thought that a 100-year public secrecy order had only been placed on one police report into Hamilton which allegedly named high-profile politicians and legal figures. However, a Sunday Herald investigation has uncovered that 106 documents, which were submitted to the Dunblane inquiry in 1996, were also placed under the 100-year rule.

The Scottish Executive has claimed the 100-year secrecy order was placed on the Central Police report, which was drafted in 1991 five years before the murders, to protect the identities of children named in the report... However, only a handful of the documents, which the Sunday Herald has discovered to be also subject to the 100-year rule, relate to children or name alleged abuse victims.  
The most intriguing document is listed as: 'Copy of letter from Thomas Hamilton to Dunblane parents regarding boys' club, and flyer advertising Dunblane Boys' Sports Club, both sent to Rt Hon Michael Forsyth, MP, Secretary of State for Scotland, by George Robertson MP.'

Also closed under the 100-year rule is a 'submission to Lord James Douglas Hamilton, MP, Minister of State at the Scottish Office, concerning government evidence to the Inquiry'. 
Another document relates to correspondence between the clerk of the Dunblane inquiry, which was presided over by Lord Cullen, and a member of the public regarding 'possible affiliations of Thomas Hamilton with Freemasonry ... and copy letters from Thomas Hamilton'. 
SNP deputy justice minister, Michael Matheson, said: 'The explanation to date about the 100-year rule was that it was put in place to protect the interests of children named in the Central Police report. How can that explanation stand when children aren't named? The 100-year rule needs to be re-examined with respect to all documents.'  
Matheson has written to the Lord Advocate, Colin Boyd, asking why the 100-year rule applies and how it can be revoked. He has so far had no response. He also asked First Minister Jack McConnell to explain the reasons for the 100-year order but received 'no substantial answer'.  
Other sealed key reports on Dunblane include: A 'comparative analysis of Thomas Hamilton' by Central Scotland Police; Information about Hamilton's 'use and possession of firearms'; pathology reports, Hamilton's autopsy report, and analysis by Glasgow University's forensic science lab on blood, urine and liver samples from Hamilton's body; details on firearms licensing policies; a review by Alfred Vannet, regional procurator fiscal of Grampian, Highland and Islands, of 'reports and information in respect of Thomas Hamilton submitted to the procurator fiscals of Dumbarton and Stirling by Strathclyde Police and Central Police'; a psychological report on Hamilton; Guidance from the British Medical Association on granting firearms licences; 'transcript of and correspondence relating to answering-machine tape which accidentally recorded conversation between police officers at the scene of the Dunblane incident'; correspondence and witness statements 'relating to allegations of sexual abuse made against Hamilton'." 
After the inquiry into the shootings at Dunblane Primary School in 1996, 106 documents were closed to the public for 100 years. 

This is not the least bit usual. Why were these documents locked away?

Tony Blair knows the answer to this question.


On 11 March 2003, Mike James, a Frankfurt correspondent of the website Propaganda Matrix.com, which is devoted to exposing the dirty little doings of the New World order, reported thus:

'BLAIR'S PROTECTION OF ELITE PAEDOPHILE RINGS SPELLS THE END FOR HIS CAREER.' 
"NATO boss and Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland's leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence as a Freemason to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite.  
The controversy is certain to topple the Blair government, which has already issued a D-Notice to gag the press from revealing the names of known paedophiles within the British executive, including at least two senior ministers; and the case highlights the government's antipathy toward the Sunday Herald and its brand of independent journalism that has, among other things, exposed the role played by the domestic security agency, MI5, in helping the IRA to carry out terrorist atrocities.  
As reported by this journalist last month at Propaganda Matrix and Counter Punch, and by the Sunday Herald's Home Affairs Editor, Neil Mackay, the British intelligence services are actively engaged in preventing any further child sex revelations that could incite further hostility to an already unpopular Prime Minister and destroy the morale of troops set to invade Iraq.  
An intelligence officer told Mackay that a 'rolling' Cabinet committee had been set up to work out how to deal with the potentially ruinous fall-out for both Tony Blair and the government if arrests occur.  
Some commentators, mindful that one of Tony Blair's closest confidante's is a practising paedophile, are even suggesting that this particular scandal, and not Blair's repeated lies and fabricated reports in regard to Iraq, may well prove the downfall of a government mired in sleaze and corruption.  
The Sunday Times is reported to have obtained an FBI list of Labour MPs who have used credit cards to pay for internet child pornography, and Blair has responded by imposing a massive news blackout, failing however to stop the arrest of one of his most important aides, Phillip Lyon.  
The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order.  
Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report. Parents and teachers were advised to concentrate their efforts on a campaign to outlaw handguns instead of focusing on how the mentally unstable Freemason, already known by the police to be a paedophile, had obtained a firearms licence for six handguns.  
Hamilton allegedly enjoyed good relations with both local Labour luminary George Robertson and Michael Forsyth, the then Scottish Secretary of State and MP for Stirling. Forsyth congratulated and encouraged Hamilton for running a boy's club...  
The rumours and allegations concerning Lord Robertson's ties to Hamilton, and the possibility that the American intelligence services may be blackmailing Tony Blair into continued support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq, have been given fire by internet investigator and intelligence expert Michael Keaney:

'An additional, and potentially explosive, aspect of US leverage over Blair is the FBI's investigation of users of child porn websites which has already claimed a number of high profile scalps... 
The biggest two fish that come to mind are indeed high profile: firstly there is George Robertson, who today has announced that he will step down as NATO Secretary General after four years and two months in the job. Were he to be fingered the fall out would be spectacular but short-lived -- he's been a long time out of the cabinet and is sufficiently distant from Tony to be regarded as not requiring the presentational finesse of a 'rolling' Cabinet committee, whatever that might be.  
However, our second candidate is most certainly very closely identified with the prime minister, and retains a high profile [and] continues to operate at a very high level indeed, whether in Europe, Japan, or even the Middle East. 
Peter Mandelson began political life as a member of the Communist Party, soon 'seeing the light' and instead getting involved with the CIA/MI6-financed Socialist International youth wing and the Labour Party, through which he rose in parallel with his experience working at London Weekend Television with other A-list regulars like John Birt and Michael Maclay, now public mouthpiece of Hakluyt, the private sector spook outfit run by a bunch of 'ex' MI6 types including the widow of ex-Labour leader John Smith.  
This sort of background and connections makes Mandelson very useful in the sort of corridors-and-alleyways diplomacy and networking that is the real substance of international relations and intelligence gathering... If Mandelson is indeed the suspect, then the damage this could cause may fatally wound Blair. 
An interesting development that may, or may not, be related to this, is the publication of an article in last Sunday's Observer by David Aaronovitch. He and Mandelson are longtime friends, having been together in the Communist Party and at London Weekend TV. Aaronovitch was, until recently, a leading political commentator for the Independent, on whose 'international advisory board' (the standard vanity collection of august persons put together for the ego of newspaper proprietors like Tony O'Reilly and Conrad Black) sits Peter Mandelson. 
Since switching to the Guardian Media Group at the beginning of this year or thereabouts, Aaronovitch authored an article on child abuse in which he pleads for common sense to prevail, rather than the lynch mob: 'Strangely I trust the police to act sensibly (because, like the analysts, they've seen it all): it's the rest of us I worry about.'  
That much depends upon the behaviour of the US Justice Department, which ultimately has responsibility for the investigation, must be a worry for Blair. One need only imagine how this must colour the views of John Ashcroft regarding the moral fibre of British cabinet ministers and the laxity of the prime minister who chose them in the first place. How easy would it be for the suspect to be named in a story that miraculously surfaced outside of the UK (thereby circumventing the D Notice and leading potentially to a re-run of the Spycatcher fiasco of 1987)? 
Whoever is on the suspects' list, we can see that already this 'rolling' cabinet committee is busy leaking stories that serve at least to delay the shock of the inevitable, eventual revelation, buying valuable time if nothing else. Thus you can depend on the Guardian to save the day for Tony, and here's some helpful tip-offs courtesy of MI6 that help to distract from what's really going on, whilst bolstering the reputation for integrity and financial propriety that has marked Blair's dealings with businesspeople like Bernie Ecclestone, Richard Desmond, Lakshmi Mittal, etc.  
'I have come to the considered conclusion,' says a correspondent of Keaney, William Palfreman, 'that the events surrounding the Dunblane massacre, and the subsequent submissions to the Cullen enquiry that have been put under to 100 years of secrecy, far out weigh in political significance issues such as our opposition to the EU [and] what it entails. It is inconceivable that T Blair, Jack Straw [and] Gordon Brown can survive in office as this matter becomes known. It totally undermines the Labour government, and could easily be a case of the Queen feeling she has to use reserve powers to call an emergency general election, such would be the loss of confidence. 
This scandal is far more important that anything that has happened here in living memory, in fact I can think of no parallel for it. It certainly pisses all over anything that happened to Kennedy or was done by Nixon. I am surprised, given the gravity of this matter, that [an] attempt has yet to be made on his life, for surely we are dealing with desperate people here.  
It also explains a few strange things, such as just why T Blair & co. were so keen to ban all handguns, and why such obviously talentless nobodies like George Robertson have risen from being backbench nobodies a couple of years ago to Defence Secretary, and now Secretary-General of NATO. Now where in this is there a national security risk so great, that documents part of the public enquiry are now state secrets to be held for 100 years? Funny kind of public enquiry.  
Why, when Thomas Hamilton's application for a gun licence was turned down, due to him being regarded as a man of unsound character [and] him being the object of several paedophilia investigations, did his MP, our friend George Robertson (now Lord Robertson, Secretary-General of NATO), write him a glowing character reference, and personally see to it that his application was successful, when he knew the grounds for the original refusal were because he was suspected of procuring boys for sexual services?  
Or take a certain boat seized on Loch Ness [Loch Lomond] by the Strathclyde Police. It is a very rare thing for assets to be seized in the UK, as [there] are no asset-forfeiture laws. When it does happen, there is normally a trial at least, with things only being seized if they are proven to be bought with money proven to be consequence of a proven crime. Even then, they are sold by public auction. How come, then, was this very valuable boat sold for the tiny sum of £5000, without an auction, to none other than our friend Thomas Hamilton, a man of no financial means whatsoever, nor a sailor, nor lived anywhere near any open water. 
Why did not the boats owners complain about having their property stolen from them in this manner? I can only conclude because it was being used for some very serious criminal activity, and those on board were merely glad to escape prosecution. Also, it seems rather odd in such circumstances that not only were the owners happy to avoid prosecution enough to lose a valuable boat, but that the Strathclyde Police were not willing to prosecute.  
And yet, after these improbable events, it wound up in none other than our friend Hamilton's hands. Could he have been a blackmailer as well as a paedophile? But the main thing is what might explain sections of the public enquiry are now under the hundred year rule. There are only three levels of secrecy in the UK for state secrets, the 30 year rule, the 80 year rule and the 100 year rule. Normal secrets, like Cabinet discussions, government papers, espionage, all that, are under the 30 year rule.

Only a very small number of things ever reached the 80 year rule, particularly events in the Sudan with Kitchener in 1902, where it seems that an act of genocide was committed, and some things that happened 1914-18, as well as things like potential peace negotiations in 1941, and just about everything to do with the IRA (after all, people are still alive after 30 years) come under the 80 year rule. Of them, the darkest of state secrets, when the events of '02 were getting a bit close to their limit for comfort, a further class of secrets was created to last a hundred years, and tiny number of things were put in it - e.g. Kitchener in '02, some World War I things.  
But none of these things can be said to apply to Dunblane. That was a case of a common criminal [and] sexual pervert committing some fairly ordinary murders, of a kind that happen from time to time. Even if a backbench Labour MP was implicated, or may have been involved in a large paedophile ring in Scotland, that is not a matter of vital national importance.

You have a prosecution, there is a bit of a scandal, everyone is disgusted and one MP goes to prison. Big deal: such things happen. You certainly would not make such information a state secret just to save one unnamed backbench nobody's miserable neck. Governments simply don't go to such extreme lengths to save nobodies - power broking just doesn't work like that.  
There must be issues of profound national importance working here, and I put it to you that anything that involves certain events in Scotland is more likely to be someone of cabinet level than anything else. 

If the physiologically flawed Thomas Hamilton was the centre of a paedophile ring in Scotland that procured boys to people of the amongst the highest rank, and Tony Blair [and] Jack Straw covered this up by the Official Secrets Act (They would do the covering, as both the Prime Minister's [and] Home Secretary's permission is needed to put some something under the 100 year rule.) it is hard to see how they or their close colleges could possibly remain in office, even if they were never inclined to such flawed behaviour themselves.
The government would fall. That prospect seems to be energising a government now considered to be fighting for its political life, even to the extent of killing the review process by which some of the banned sections of the Cullen Report would be made public, arguing that freedom of information would somehow harm other abused children in Dunblane...  

When Tony Blair took office following a landslide victory in 1997, few commentators would have suggested that this man would be willing to drag his country into a war of unjustified aggression against a people that have done no harm to the British public. Nor would anyone have surmised that a Labour government would hitch its political fortunes to a shabby cabal of fanatical Neoconservative Zionists working to make real their much-touted biblical Armageddon.  
And no one could have predicted that Blair's nominally 'Christian' administration would transform itself into a licentious club of flamboyant homosexual cruisers and out-of-control paedophiles.
But it is now becoming shockingly clear that the slavish adherence of Tony Blair and Jack Straw to the Bush line on Iraq may have less to do with principled arguments, and much more to do with the fear of CIA and FBI revelations that would make them two of the most hated politicians in modern British political history." 
Unfortunately for us all, Mike James, of Propaganda Matrix was wrong. 

The top turds closed ranks and the 'elite paedophile scandal' was successfully hushed up.

George Robertson became the Secretary-General of NATO in August 1999. On 24 August he received a life peerage and took the title Lord Robertson of Port Ellen. The following month he resigned as Defence Secretary in Tony Blair's government. Robertson was a member of the Council of the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House) for seven years. He is now Joint President of that organisation.

Peter Mandelson is, as far as Tony B is concerned, safely out of the way in Brussels doing his Globalist bit for the British, alongside his 20-something Brazilian boyfriend, Reinaldo.

I don't know whether the dire implications regarding the behaviours of some of Tony Blair's Cabinet Ministers suggested in the above articles are true or not.

I have no idea whether the Dunblane tragedy unearthed one or two unsavoury top bloke titbits that would have proved terminal if they had ever been exposed. What is certain is that all the information which could have shed some light on the matter was locked safely away by his government and, now, none but the elite will ever get to see it. Unless the British people decide to swop the bad guys for something better, that is.

I suppose rumour, hearsay and gut feeling alone isn't good enough to nail a paedophile. In lieu of absolute proof, then, here's a mass-murderer who looks like one:


I suppose rumour, hearsay and gut-feeling isn't enough to label a Tony Crony a paedophile, especially when Our Dear Leader has buried any evidence that would have proved or disproved the hearsay and gut-feeling, one way or another, for the next hundred years.

Pictured below are two erstwhile Tony Crony Cabinet Ministers about whom there is absolutely no proof of paedophilic behaviour:

7 comments:

  1. TLDR - learn how to get to the point quickly.

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    1. Too lazy, didn't read, is that what you mean?

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  2. The post is informational. The information is the point.

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  3. Yet hearsay "evidence" can be used by the corrupt authorities.

    Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014: Reform of anti-social behaviour powers Statutory guidance for frontline professionals

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    Hearsay evidence: Hearsay and professional witness evidence allow for the identities of those who are unable to give evidence due to fear or intimidation, to be protected. This is especially important as cases can involve anti-social behaviour.

    I would regard the use of children as sex toys to be about as anti-social as it gets.

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  4. You don't get it: billionaires want politicians who can be controlled. Their living nightmare are competent, honest and upstanding ones.

    They don't want paedos exposed, they want them in power so they can control them to betray their electors.

    Murdoch LOVES a politician he can threaten to expose. So do all the rest of them.

    These types need their bluff calling. They need their own moral probity destroyed for cultivating, promoting and controlling evil minions.

    Call it what it is.

    ORGANISED CRIME.

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  5. Very informative and thoroughly researched.
    Britain has been controlled from the top down by people who are not British in any way, for a very long time. This clique of international hyenas, it's greedy British pet traitors (30 silver pieces each, please) and patsies and the horrors it has perpetrated in our name, against the wishes and without the consent or knowledge of the British masses must be exposed for the tyrants they really are. The blood of all peoples of the world has been spilled for the vested interests of a plutocrat billionaire class of very specific interested parties, namely to further a grandoise fantasy of global conquest. As our understanding of the truth becomes more broad and our patience wears thin, they may yet realise that gun control will not save these sadistic beasts from retribution. Not that they ever learn, their arrogance and flippant complacency when they should see the writing on the wall is clearly demonstrated most recently in history.

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    1. O yes my friend nail on the head there just nationless blackmailing Cunts pardon my French,the blackmailed need to stand up together would never happen but like mi5 were doing to the Ira/Saville it's fucking so pervasive it's crazy they are everywhere it's insane but as your post says there day will come and they'll get taken out the back like a dog,even though I'm not a beast and a dog would got love and respect to the end whereas they would get sadist me Ying and yang swings and roundabouts.
      As they say good doesn't pay debts with money,also anyone know where I can get a pic of the yacht?

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